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Pontiac's Important Place-Farewell Pontiac response

 
hillead hillead
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 02/10
Posted: 02/15/10
01:45 PM

I read Scott Parker's article on "Pontiac's Important Place-Farwell Pontiac" and have to disagree with Scott on a couple of issues.  One of the reasons I became a pontiac fan was definitely the high horse power/high torque engines they produced. Contrary to Scott's analysis between Gen III/IV engines, you have to consider when they came about.  Please remember that virtually all of the engines produced by GM, or any other US automaker in the early 80s and before were inefficient and not nearly as powerfull as todays.  I don't see that Pontiac died in 1981 but I would agree that GM made a huge mistake in removing the Pontiac engine from availability in Pontiac cars.  I debated between a Trans Am and a Camaro in 1979 and the Camaro was a little cheaper back then.  I think it's important to point out that I do not mean "cheaper" as in less expensive.  The Camaro brand new had rattles, less power, less features and less styling than the Trans Am which leads me to the second reason I became a Pontiac fan.
Pontiac compared to Chevy, Olds and Buick always seemed to have better styling.  Toward the end Pontiacs were virtual copies of it's sister counterparts with a few exceptions. For this reason, I would see that GM virtually killed off the Pontiac line as unintentional as it may have been.
I myself will continue to buy USED Pontiacs while they last but I will never purchase a new GM car again.  I was a fan of Oldsmobile also and still have two but GM does not offer a car with good styling AND quality anymore.  

 
mpayne mpayne
Enthusiast | Posts: 263 | Joined: 10/07
Posted: 02/16/10
01:45 PM

Welcome and thanks for your opinion.  

 
Scott_at_GMHTP Scott_at_GMHTP
Moderator | Posts: 140 | Joined: 12/07
Posted: 02/18/10
07:19 AM

Thank you for your opinion...in response I will agree that they were good engines for their day. However they have many disadvantages, especially given the rest of the current market (power, efficiency, available aftermarket parts, etc). The heyday of the American muscle car came and went, and GM had to streamline its production by getting rid of brand division. It was a good run and a magical time. But the same could be said about our current times, where 505 SAE horsepower is capable naturally aspirated in an EPA-regulated factory car, and over 630hp with boost.  

 
hillead hillead
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 02/10
Posted: 03/01/10
11:06 AM

Scott,
Please read my comments closer.  My comparison between todays engines and yesterdays big blocks are in total agreement with you (i.e. all Pontiac engines, by today's standards were inefficient less power etc.)but it's been nearly 3 decades since a Pontiac came with a "Pontiac engine". My point is that Pontiac always had better styling and seemed to have better quality than it's sister counterpart (Chevy). Buick and Olds seemed to have the quality but not so much the styling.  Olds are gone and Buick styling has gotten even worse so, in my opinion, GM has nothing left to offer unless of course I stike it rick and can afford a Cadillac.  

 
Scott_at_GMHTP Scott_at_GMHTP
Moderator | Posts: 140 | Joined: 12/07
Posted: 03/08/10
06:43 AM

Ok, done beating the dead horse then...in my original editorial I addressed my love of Pontiac styling as well. In modern times Pontiacs seemed to appeal to a younger, sportier demographic that was slightly upscale from Chevy. Killing Pontiac seems to have created a large void in GM's product line. In all honesty, I don't see these people as being easy converts to Chevy either. I think you are in the minority, in terms of your brand loyalty, and more people will be turning to imports now that the G6 and G8 are out of production. As the result, I don't see how this move strengthens the company (unlike platform design). Chevy will have a long way to go if they are ever going to gain this demographic.